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    R.O.E. Ratio's

    Post  Jumping J on Mon May 11, 2009 7:33 pm

    Question:
    Right now in my own program I've been doing a lot of pistons, or I do them as SL Box squats, progressing to get lower and lower. I just wanted to double check though, when you say classic box squats are being done on a 3 - 3 - 1 and then speed box squats, I'm assuming the numbers are for the tempo of the exercise. The only other thing I wanted to check is the ROE is that Rate of explosiveness?
    Other than that I really appreciate your feedback, right now I'm pretty confident in my routines, they are gradually getting better and better and more specific. When I started in this field the only people I knew how to work with confidently, were people who were trying to gain size strength, like you said traditionally trained. Now I am getting much better at training for power but still a little ways away. I'm sure more questions will come up in the next few weeks, so I appreciate your feedback.

    Answer:
    It's good to hear that you are progressing. As I said before when you are a trainer focusing on athletic performance training, its trail and error for a while. We all went through it. Yes the numbers are for the Tempo of the squat 3 seconds down, 3 seconds on the box, 1 second (or faster) up. R.O.E. is Rate Of Effort or reps+weight over time. Lets take Squat again Weight be 200 pounds, target reps 10, time to complete 30 seconds. So set one would look like 2000/30 if set 2 and three are the same the clients squat R.O.E. looks like 6000/90

    That example is purely of an explosive R.O.E. where rest time is set to 120 seconds per set so its not taken into account because you'll get more of an idea if rep time is decreasing and becoming more explosive. The whole goal is for the top number to go up or the bottom number to go down every workout.

    For a power endurance workout rest time is not set but its taken into account. The focus would be more on decreasing rest time and at least keeping rep speed constant ideally you still want to decrease rep speed but this version of the scale is not geared toward that.

    The photo is of a charted R.OE. scale of one of my MMA fighters. That one deals with punch output numbers over 180 second rounds while using the Flex Nimbo for total body resistance. The top number (150, 200, 180, 100) is total punches during the round, the bottom number (180) is time. Then of course total 630/720 was his total output over 4 rounds. The ratio to the left of the chart labeled:
    TI:180/150 is Target Intensity. So I wanted him to be at 180 punches by the 150 second mark of each round. To the right of the box:
    A/N: Average punches a round. 157.5
    Change: It was week one of the resisted ring work so no change.
    Quality: C this is totally up to the trainer, the reason I gave him a C was because some of the punches he threw were little shoe shine things to try to pad his punch output number. They had nothing on them and the goal of the workout was power punching. When you are taking yourself through these types of workout be real with yourself on the quality of your reps.
    At the Top you see his name W1 (week 1) W1 (workout 1) then an input, output box In the input box you see FN (Flex Nimbo) since it was week one, workout one there was no output number.

    For week 2: The left TI number would not change because he didn't reach the set goal of 180/150. The output number in the input out put box would be 630/720 (after the week two workout this can also gets a +/- but its not necessary unless you are dealing with a client who is not very self motivated)

    These charts give you solid data on the intensity of the workouts and also shows the athlete if he's dogging it or if he/she is improving.

    the ROE chat can be modified to include any type of exercise movement or program. Change the input to Squat, rounds to sets and punches to reps. If its more then one exercise add another input so Traditional Squat or TSQ and hanging Cleans HCL. Add a TI for the cleans etc... If its a total power endurance workout call it a circuit so there would still only 1 input. Squat is a round, Cleans are a round, Push Press a round, Pistols a round etc. the total number would be the total reps+weight over time of the workout as a whole and not each exercise having its own total e.g.
    3 sets of squat 10 reps 200 pounds 30 second per set + time it takes to get to station 2 call it 10 seconds: 2000/100 That's round 1. Round 2 is hanging cleans same number 10, 200, 30 +10= 2000/100
    Station 3 Push Press same as above 10, 200, 30+10= 2000/100.
    So the single total would be: 6000/300.
    TI for week two would then be 6606/270.

    These types of workout are more effective late in the training program.

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